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 Post subject: Saturday Q&A for May 4th, 2019
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[2019/05/04 11:00] Koni Lanzius: interesting
[2019/05/04 11:00] Moto Sapa: yes
[2019/05/04 11:00] Koni Lanzius: how was his English?
[2019/05/04 11:00] Koni Lanzius: was he able to communicate well?
[2019/05/04 11:00] Moto Sapa: better than most
[2019/05/04 11:00] albertlr Landar: And i was surprised that the young Pianist could speak English very well also.
[2019/05/04 11:00] Koni Lanzius: oh very good
[2019/05/04 11:00] Koni Lanzius: what country is the lad from, albirtir?
[2019/05/04 11:00] albertlr Landar: Russia
[2019/05/04 11:01] Koni Lanzius: ahh
[2019/05/04 11:01] albertlr Landar: Was born in Moscow
[2019/05/04 11:01] Koni Lanzius: i see
[2019/05/04 11:01] Moto Sapa: he asked if he needed permission to be here?
[2019/05/04 11:01] Koni Lanzius: hehehe
[2019/05/04 11:01] Koni Lanzius: cute
[2019/05/04 11:01] Moto Sapa: that would be defined by your country
[2019/05/04 11:02] Koni Lanzius: oh i see
[2019/05/04 11:02] Koni Lanzius: is restricted in some places?
[2019/05/04 11:02] George Equus is Online
[2019/05/04 11:02] albertlr Landar: well we do have a greeters group.
[2019/05/04 11:02] Moto Sapa: yes
[2019/05/04 11:02] albertlr Landar: In a lot of countries they are closing down social media things
[2019/05/04 11:02] Moto Sapa: he picked me because of native dress i guess
[2019/05/04 11:02] Koni Lanzius: hi Izzie!
[2019/05/04 11:03] Koni Lanzius: hey George
[2019/05/04 11:03] albertlr Landar: Hi George
[2019/05/04 11:03] Izzie Applewhyte: Hi
[2019/05/04 11:03] George Equus: Hello everybody
[2019/05/04 11:03] albertlr Landar: and Issie
[2019/05/04 11:03] albertlr Landar: Greetings Jeff
[2019/05/04 11:03] Koni Lanzius: hey Jeff :)
[2019/05/04 11:03] Jeff Hall: hi albert and everyone:)
[2019/05/04 11:03] albertlr Landar: Sorry I had to leave but was not feeling well last week.
[2019/05/04 11:04] Moto Sapa: well there is fear of subversion in some countries
[2019/05/04 11:04] Koni Lanzius: completely understood
[2019/05/04 11:04] albertlr Landar: Still passing some kidney stone debris.
[2019/05/04 11:04] Koni Lanzius: aww
[2019/05/04 11:04] Moto Sapa: ouch
[2019/05/04 11:04] Jeff Hall: hope u are feeling better now
[2019/05/04 11:04] albertlr Landar: but it seems less
[2019/05/04 11:04] Koni Lanzius: so sorry you are going thu that Albirtir
[2019/05/04 11:04] albertlr Landar: well have not had to resort to pain meds since last week.
[2019/05/04 11:04] Koni Lanzius: very good!
[2019/05/04 11:05] albertlr Landar: well things seems to be stable here on Hurliman.
[2019/05/04 11:05] Cataplexia Numbers is Online
[2019/05/04 11:05] albertlr Landar: Hope everyone is not experiencing any tech problems this week.
[2019/05/04 11:05] Moto Sapa: i have 1 issue no one can figure out rezzed items you can walk on but not edit or see
[2019/05/04 11:05] Jeff Hall: seems fine to me
[2019/05/04 11:06] albertlr Landar: hum
[2019/05/04 11:06] albertlr Landar: thats strange.
[2019/05/04 11:06] Koni Lanzius: i notice that some of my stuff requires a restart to rezz properly
[2019/05/04 11:06] Jeff Hall: though i run the January opensim version, didn't upgraded
[2019/05/04 11:06] Moto Sapa: others dont see it ether
[2019/05/04 11:06] Jeff Hall: *upgrade
[2019/05/04 11:06] Koni Lanzius: like my hair today, had to re-wear i
[2019/05/04 11:06] Koni Lanzius: but otherwise ok
[2019/05/04 11:06] albertlr Landar: are these objects from your inventory.
[2019/05/04 11:06] albertlr Landar: were they mesh?
[2019/05/04 11:06] Moto Sapa: but same texture as in other items loke floor
[2019/05/04 11:07] Moto Sapa: like
[2019/05/04 11:07] Koni Lanzius: i think thats a mesh bug
[2019/05/04 11:07] Moto Sapa: prim
[2019/05/04 11:07] Lobo Estepario is Offline
[2019/05/04 11:07] Koni Lanzius: can you see it if you go into control option command T ?
[2019/05/04 11:07] Moto Sapa: only fix is to restart region
[2019/05/04 11:07] Moto Sapa: nope
[2019/05/04 11:08] Koni Lanzius: puts a red highlite on solid stuff
[2019/05/04 11:08] Moto Sapa: no script in item
[2019/05/04 11:08] Koni Lanzius: huh
[2019/05/04 11:08] Aussie Envee is Online
[2019/05/04 11:08] albertlr Landar: does this happen if you go to one of the sandboxes
[2019/05/04 11:08] Moto Sapa: i might put in a dummy script to add that
[2019/05/04 11:08] Koni Lanzius: haven't checked, will do
[2019/05/04 11:09] Moto Sapa: did not try that
[2019/05/04 11:09] albertlr Landar: might help to narrow down where the problem is
[2019/05/04 11:09] Moto Sapa: but on the outworld grid the same items are fine
[2019/05/04 11:10] Moto Sapa: items shows up in area search
[2019/05/04 11:10] Moto Sapa: but cant edit it
[2019/05/04 11:10] Moto Sapa: ????
[2019/05/04 11:10] albertlr Landar: now were you hypergridding between ourworldz and osgrid.
[2019/05/04 11:10] Moto Sapa: tryed cleaning cashes
[2019/05/04 11:11] albertlr Landar: because there is a problem if you hypergrid from Osgrid with your inventory.
[2019/05/04 11:11] Koni Lanzius: yes
[2019/05/04 11:11] albertlr Landar: advice is to use an alt avatar with little inventory.
[2019/05/04 11:11] Koni Lanzius: hi Cata
[2019/05/04 11:11] Moto Sapa: its a odd one
[2019/05/04 11:11] Cataplexia Numbers: Hello
[2019/05/04 11:12] Moto Sapa: yes travel avatar
[2019/05/04 11:12] Cataplexia Numbers: Hi everyone
[2019/05/04 11:12] albertlr Landar: hello Cat
[2019/05/04 11:12] Moto Sapa: i went to cats yesterday all gray never loaded
[2019/05/04 11:12] Moto Sapa: tryed a few times
[2019/05/04 11:13] Cataplexia Numbers: nods it was another grid
[2019/05/04 11:13] Moto Sapa: then tped there with outworlds avatar and all was ok
[2019/05/04 11:13] Moto Sapa: just osgrid account has textures issues
[2019/05/04 11:14] Cataplexia Numbers: I think it has to do with the fact that we have no suitcases here
[2019/05/04 11:14] Moto Sapa: mmm
[2019/05/04 11:14] Cataplexia Numbers: our entire inventory loads on other grids
[2019/05/04 11:14] Cataplexia Numbers: instead of just the suitcases
[2019/05/04 11:14] Jeff Hall: hi Cat
[2019/05/04 11:14] albertlr Landar: and that can cause lots of problems with the inventory.
[2019/05/04 11:14] Cataplexia Numbers: hello
[2019/05/04 11:15] Cataplexia Numbers: it all but ruined OpenSim Fest
[2019/05/04 11:16] Cataplexia Numbers: and i dont know about the rest of you
[2019/05/04 11:16] Cataplexia Numbers: but shopping in this av takes a very long time
[2019/05/04 11:16] albertlr Landar: best use a alt avatar with little inventory for travel from Osgrid.
[2019/05/04 11:17] Cataplexia Numbers: because of the same issue
[2019/05/04 11:17] albertlr Landar: https://www.youtube.com/user/Mr1AleksA
[2019/05/04 11:17] Koni Lanzius: thanks albirtir
[2019/05/04 11:17] albertlr Landar: This is a young prodgy pianit that i discovered on youtube.
[2019/05/04 11:17] Koni Lanzius: ahh yes
[2019/05/04 11:17] albertlr Landar: He started piano at 5, is now 17.
[2019/05/04 11:18] albertlr Landar: But they say he is performing like a seasoned master
[2019/05/04 11:18] Koni Lanzius: an amazing talent
[2019/05/04 11:18] albertlr Landar: plays all the large piano concertos by memory, never uses sheet music
[2019/05/04 11:18] Koni Lanzius: wow
[2019/05/04 11:19] albertlr Landar: they say he is a true genius
[2019/05/04 11:19] Koni Lanzius: huh
[2019/05/04 11:19] Koni Lanzius: one of those miracles of life
[2019/05/04 11:20] albertlr Landar: i also found a video of a young boy that has real perfect pitch.
[2019/05/04 11:20] Koni Lanzius: wow
[2019/05/04 11:20] albertlr Landar: you can play a chord and he can identity every note
[2019/05/04 11:20] Moto Sapa: will try adding a dummy do nothing script to floor sections and see if that changes things
[2019/05/04 11:21] Koni Lanzius: Dan may have some advice for ya Moto
[2019/05/04 11:21] albertlr Landar: bst talk with Dan, he can advise the best options.
[2019/05/04 11:21] Moto Sapa: yyud between sections are the same
[2019/05/04 11:21] Moto Sapa: uuid
[2019/05/04 11:22] Wizard Atazoth: two prims same uuid??
[2019/05/04 11:22] Moto Sapa: same prom
[2019/05/04 11:22] Moto Sapa: peim
[2019/05/04 11:22] Jeff Hall: with same uuids?
[2019/05/04 11:22] Moto Sapa: floor sections
[2019/05/04 11:23] Moto Sapa: copys
[2019/05/04 11:24] Moto Sapa: thats why i cant figure this out
[2019/05/04 11:24] Kayaker Magic is Online
[2019/05/04 11:24] Cataplexia Numbers: so if its a copy its not the same prim just a copy of it right?
[2019/05/04 11:24] Wizard Atazoth: the copy should be assigned a new uuid
[2019/05/04 11:25] Cataplexia Numbers: yeah
[2019/05/04 11:25] Koni Lanzius: hi Kayaker
[2019/05/04 11:25] Jeff Hall: and chance to ge same uuids are almost impossible
[2019/05/04 11:25] Kayaker Magic: Hello all!
[2019/05/04 11:25] Cataplexia Numbers: Hi Kayaker
[2019/05/04 11:25] albertlr Landar: hello Kayaker
[2019/05/04 11:25] Jeff Hall: hi Kayaker
[2019/05/04 11:26] Kayaker Magic: I've been told the chances of two UUIDs matching is "astronomically low"
[2019/05/04 11:27] Wizard Atazoth: can you replicate on sandbox plaza moto? I'd like to see later.
[2019/05/04 11:27] Moto Sapa: every item has a new uuid even if its a exact copy
[2019/05/04 11:27] Jeff Hall: https://betterexplained.com/articles/th ... -to-guids/
[2019/05/04 11:27] Moto Sapa: i can try
[2019/05/04 11:27] Jeff Hall: https://instacalc.com/51567
[2019/05/04 11:27] Moto Sapa: its in the marina on my region
[2019/05/04 11:28] Moto Sapa: could e a var issue
[2019/05/04 11:28] Moto Sapa: ??
[2019/05/04 11:29] Wizard Atazoth: hmm if its just that one prim maybe something funky going on with that one. have tried to restart region?
[2019/05/04 11:29] Moto Sapa: yes then you see it till you tp out and back
[2019/05/04 11:30] Kayaker Magic: I missed the original problem, what are you seeing?
[2019/05/04 11:30] Jeff Hall: 2 prims with same uuids apparently Kayaker
[2019/05/04 11:30] Moto Sapa: say this floor is here but you see the ground under it and you can edit it but you can walk on it
[2019/05/04 11:31] Moto Sapa: ccat clic it to edit it
[2019/05/04 11:31] Cataplexia Numbers: a ghosted prim maybe
[2019/05/04 11:31] Moto Sapa: grr
[2019/05/04 11:31] Cataplexia Numbers: restart the region
[2019/05/04 11:31] Mirror Amorasi is Offline
[2019/05/04 11:31] Moto Sapa: it repets
[2019/05/04 11:32] Cataplexia Numbers: ive had that happen...but not looked at the UUIDs
[2019/05/04 11:32] Cataplexia Numbers: if you restart from the BROWSER it wont fix it
[2019/05/04 11:32] Moto Sapa: will do some more testing
[2019/05/04 11:32] Cataplexia Numbers: if you restart from the PANEL it should
[2019/05/04 11:32] Moto Sapa: no
[2019/05/04 11:32] Wizard Atazoth: yea best to do from console
[2019/05/04 11:33] Cataplexia Numbers: yes console is what i mean sorry
[2019/05/04 11:33] Kayaker Magic: IW used to leave ghost vehicles all over the place on region crossings. You could eventually examine them and see they were owned by (nobody)
[2019/05/04 11:34] Cataplexia Numbers: oh yeah ive seen a few nobody owned objects here too
[2019/05/04 11:34] Moto Sapa: hows that possible?
[2019/05/04 11:34] Cataplexia Numbers: i dont know how but ive seen it
[2019/05/04 11:34] Kayaker Magic: You can't edit them directly, you have to try once, switch to general, then left click them a second time.
[2019/05/04 11:35] Moto Sapa: see if it shows up in area search
[2019/05/04 11:35] Moto Sapa: i find all kinda junk that way
[2019/05/04 11:36] Wizard Atazoth: or try toggling physics, change physics engine, or reload oar as last resort. maybe one of those will get it working again. just have to play around with it. but usually ghost prims appear on restart in my experience.
[2019/05/04 11:37] Kayaker Magic: Is Search broken today? I can't seem to find anyone.....
[2019/05/04 11:37] albertlr Landar: hum i used it earlier and it seemed to work
[2019/05/04 11:38] Cataplexia Numbers: broken for me too
[2019/05/04 11:38] Wizard Atazoth: doesn't seem to be working for me at the moment either
[2019/05/04 11:38] Cataplexia Numbers: like it just hangs, searching
[2019/05/04 11:38] albertlr Landar: maybe related to website
[2019/05/04 11:39] Wizard Atazoth: yea
[2019/05/04 11:39] albertlr Landar: one of the reasons the website was taken off line last week, was because it was being attacked by a bot
[2019/05/04 11:39] albertlr Landar: trying to get in.
[2019/05/04 11:40] LaNani Sundara is Online
[2019/05/04 11:40] Cataplexia Numbers: someone always has to spike the punchbowl dont they
[2019/05/04 11:40] albertlr Landar: yea
[2019/05/04 11:40] fogo sagrado is Offline
[2019/05/04 11:40] Aussie Envee is Offline
[2019/05/04 11:41] albertlr Landar: lets just say it was coming from a country known for intrusions.
[2019/05/04 11:41] Cataplexia Numbers: wait
[2019/05/04 11:41] Cataplexia Numbers: arent we as a country known for intrusions?
[2019/05/04 11:41] albertlr Landar: yea, but we are the good guys
[2019/05/04 11:41] Cataplexia Numbers: :D
[2019/05/04 11:41] Kayaker Magic: What you mean "we" paleface?
[2019/05/04 11:42] Wizard Atazoth: autobots maybe
[2019/05/04 11:43] Cataplexia Numbers: some jealous mini grid maybe
[2019/05/04 11:44] Kayaker Magic: Discovery Grid used to se a spike of malicious hits on their servers at the start of some DJ events.
[2019/05/04 11:45] Cataplexia Numbers: I think that falls back to the suitcase issue
[2019/05/04 11:45] Cataplexia Numbers: which is really a huge issue
[2019/05/04 11:45] Cataplexia Numbers: I do gigs there
[2019/05/04 11:45] Cataplexia Numbers: and a lot of my OSG friends come
[2019/05/04 11:45] Cataplexia Numbers: too many and we crash
[2019/05/04 11:45] Cataplexia Numbers: i usually crash within the first 15-30 mins
[2019/05/04 11:46] Kayaker Magic: they switched to the Nani build and crashes like that are supposed to be getting more rare.
[2019/05/04 11:46] Cataplexia Numbers: but lately since Balpien tweaked "something" i crashed about an hour in last night
[2019/05/04 11:47] Moto Sapa: kept booting me
[2019/05/04 11:47] Kayaker Magic: LaNani has come out with a new version every day lately! Hopefully it will settle down.
[2019/05/04 11:47] Cataplexia Numbers: The issue i am talking about Kayasker is the fact that OSG avs do not have suitcases
[2019/05/04 11:47] Cataplexia Numbers: Kayaker*
[2019/05/04 11:47] Kayaker Magic: AH, yes Dan doesn't like them....
[2019/05/04 11:47] Cataplexia Numbers: so without a suitcase your entire inventory loads in as you land
[2019/05/04 11:48] Cataplexia Numbers: instead of JUST the suitcase
[2019/05/04 11:48] Kayaker Magic: Well, just the directory, not all the contents, but that is still a big hit.
[2019/05/04 11:48] Cataplexia Numbers: this happened at Open Siom Fest...a lot
[2019/05/04 11:48] Cataplexia Numbers: it was devastating
[2019/05/04 11:48] Wizard Atazoth: depends on the specs of the region/grid too. i always have a lot of lag on discovery grid compared to other places.
[2019/05/04 11:49] Cataplexia Numbers: sorry my typing is messy, i have nephropathy in my finger tips
[2019/05/04 11:49] Kayaker Magic: I think Kitely made a fix to their version to limit the number of items loaded into inventory. Of course they are not sharing.
[2019/05/04 11:50] Cataplexia Numbers: sharing is good :D
[2019/05/04 11:51] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, imagine if IW had shared all their fixes with the original branch.
[2019/05/04 11:51] Moto Sapa: so its a known issue and some have found a fix?
[2019/05/04 11:51] Kayaker Magic: Then they ended up open sourcing it anyway, but too late to merge with the master branch
[2019/05/04 11:52] Cataplexia Numbers: but IW was closed and didnt have HG issues at all
[2019/05/04 11:52] Cataplexia Numbers: Bill Blight may have some help
[2019/05/04 11:53] Cataplexia Numbers: towards the end of OpenSim Fest he fixed the suitcase issue after days of hell
[2019/05/04 11:53] Jeff Hall: OPensim fest had an attack too
[2019/05/04 11:53] Jeff Hall: *attack
[2019/05/04 11:53] Cataplexia Numbers: the grid used for OSF was his own separate dedicated grid
[2019/05/04 11:53] Cataplexia Numbers: yes
[2019/05/04 11:54] Cataplexia Numbers: but also had those issues repeating over and over for days
[2019/05/04 11:54] Cataplexia Numbers: this issue*
[2019/05/04 11:55] Kayaker Magic: Bill usually makes the Dev meetings on Tuesday, I will ask him about that.
[2019/05/04 11:55] Cataplexia Numbers: great :D
[2019/05/04 11:55] Em Jannings is Online
[2019/05/04 11:56] Cataplexia Numbers: if we can fix that here its a huge accomplishment
[2019/05/04 11:57] Kayaker Magic: Bill usually shares his fixes with the master branch of OpenSim. If he has a patch for it we might be able to apply it to the Nani version also.
[2019/05/04 11:57] Cataplexia Numbers: that would be great
[2019/05/04 11:59] Cataplexia Numbers: it helps alot when people can work together and share knowledge like that, so much more gets accomplished
[2019/05/04 11:59] Jeff Hall: i totally agree with u Cata
[2019/05/04 11:59] Cataplexia Numbers: :D
[2019/05/04 12:00] albertlr Landar: Well thanks for coming this week, was its now 12 noon, will call this meeting to conclusion. however please stay and continue with conversations if you wish.
[2019/05/04 12:00] Koni Lanzius: thanks Albirtir :)
[2019/05/04 12:00] Wizard Atazoth: ty albert
[2019/05/04 12:00] Cataplexia Numbers: Thanks so much Abertir
[2019/05/04 12:00] Moto Sapa: th
[2019/05/04 12:00] albertlr Landar: Please take care everyone. and hopefully these issues will be fixed soon.
[2019/05/04 12:00] Jeff Hall: ty albert and keep getting better
[2019/05/04 12:00] Koni Lanzius: have a good day all
[2019/05/04 12:00] Kayaker Magic: Thanks for moderating Albert! Next week I'll try to get here on time!
[2019/05/04 12:00] albertlr Landar: ty, am trying.
[2019/05/04 12:00] Cataplexia Numbers: have a good weekend everyone
[2019/05/04 12:00] albertlr Landar: bye all


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