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 Post subject: Saturday Meeting
PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:20 pm 
Furious Typer

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I don't know if this has been posted elsewhere but people have been asking about the meeting Saturday. Here is an unedited transcript

[2016/02/27 10:57] albertlr Landar: I got attacked this morning.
[2016/02/27 10:57] albertlr Landar: by a wasp
[2016/02/27 10:57] Lucy Afarensis: oh no
[2016/02/27 10:57] dan banner: dang, those stings itch like crazy
[2016/02/27 10:57] albertlr Landar: Shorlty after I sat down on my computer, it went for my neck.
[2016/02/27 10:58] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi all
[2016/02/27 10:58] Lucy Afarensis: Its a window 10 drone attack
[2016/02/27 10:58] albertlr Landar: But I had some of those anti sting pens, so been rubbinb it.
[2016/02/27 10:59] albertlr Landar: But I think I got it back, with bug spray.
[2016/02/27 10:59] dan banner: good
[2016/02/27 10:59] albertlr Landar: It feel behind my big chair and I will it with spray back thee.
[2016/02/27 11:00] Jewels seributterfly: how is everyone
[2016/02/27 11:00] albertlr Landar: Just hope I got it because I think it is mad at me now.
[2016/02/27 11:00] Lucy Afarensis: happy
[2016/02/27 11:00] dan banner: hi cinder
[2016/02/27 11:00] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Doing good. On a slow link but hopefully it will work
[2016/02/27 11:00] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: hello dan.
[2016/02/27 11:00] Otto vonOtter is Online
[2016/02/27 11:01] albertlr Landar: Now to explain to everyone about this meeting.
[2016/02/27 11:01] albertlr Landar: I am albertlr Landar the Sec. on the Board.
[2016/02/27 11:01] Muxe Magic: oooh, I'm SO allergic! and I wouldn't trust these west-coast mosquitoes ... skittish? a little
[2016/02/27 11:01] albertlr Landar: And I was noticing while going over the opensimulator wiki that there use to be a meeting scheduled on Saturdays called the Satruday Q&A
[2016/02/27 11:02] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Dev ab12a14: 2016-02-21 11:14:02 -0800 (Unix/Mono)
[2016/02/27 11:02] albertlr Landar: So felt this might be a good time to restart that on a regular basis.
[2016/02/27 11:02] albertlr Landar: So we can better communicate with developers of both core and the viewers.
[2016/02/27 11:02] albertlr Landar: I think everyone agrees that better communication can help eveyrone.
[2016/02/27 11:03] albertlr Landar: A lot of the problem is most people have day jobs during the week, so getting together one on one is not always possible.
[2016/02/27 11:03] albertlr Landar: So this meeing can serve as a way to better get problems out in the open and to get solutions there too.
[2016/02/27 11:04] albertlr Landar: We also want to have any questions from the users so that we can resolve not only your problem, but also those that probably affert others too.
[2016/02/27 11:04] albertlr Landar: Its rare that a problem affects one person at a time.
[2016/02/27 11:04] Muxe Magic: (oh, sorry...unless this is an open community meeting)
[2016/02/27 11:05] albertlr Landar: We also need to encourgage more people to report their software problems either to the mantis or to the individual vierer developers.
[2016/02/27 11:05] Bogus.Curry @dorenas-world.de:8002: hi there ;D
[2016/02/27 11:05] dan banner: hello
[2016/02/27 11:05] albertlr Landar: Now firest are there any core developers here is my first question?
[2016/02/27 11:05] albertlr Landar: Or anyone here representing one of the many viewers?
[2016/02/27 11:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I ma here for Nicky and myself for the Kokua viewer. I help Nicky with the Mac version
[2016/02/27 11:06] albertlr Landar: Oh great.
[2016/02/27 11:06] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: i'm here from alchemy viewer.
[2016/02/27 11:06] albertlr Landar: Great
[2016/02/27 11:07] albertlr Landar: Can you give is your advice on what we can do to make your efforts more affective
[2016/02/27 11:07] albertlr Landar: Gavin you want to address that first?
[2016/02/27 11:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: That is a wide question but at the top of my head test grids
[2016/02/27 11:08] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: we need both a stable configuration of the current release + a development versiont hat is the relsee and only the release in it
[2016/02/27 11:08] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not additional modules like the OSgird asset server
[2016/02/27 11:08] albertlr Landar: well we have that here on OSgrid all the time.
[2016/02/27 11:09] albertlr Landar: ok so the OSgrid asset server would give you false stats.
[2016/02/27 11:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: OSgrid is always on dev
[2016/02/27 11:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: never on the current release
[2016/02/27 11:09] albertlr Landar: meaning 8.1?
[2016/02/27 11:09] dan banner: 0.8.2 is current release
[2016/02/27 11:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: 0.8.2.1
[2016/02/27 11:09] albertlr Landar: ok
[2016/02/27 11:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: because most people don't run dev
[2016/02/27 11:10] dan banner: we have always run dev code
[2016/02/27 11:10] albertlr Landar: yea
[2016/02/27 11:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so we both need to test on stable and on dev for upcoming rleases and features
[2016/02/27 11:10] albertlr Landar: Ok then we need to find a grid running just 0.8.2.1
[2016/02/27 11:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the next thing is at least a rudmentary roadmap
[2016/02/27 11:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: we need to know what's ahead
[2016/02/27 11:11] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: it's not too difficult to setup. it's easier to debug if you have console access.
[2016/02/27 11:11] Unadecal Masala is Online
[2016/02/27 11:11] albertlr Landar: well from what I have heard for now there won't be that many big changes to opensimlator for a while, just bug fixes.
[2016/02/27 11:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: exactly Cinder, but some bugs only manifest themselves under load
[2016/02/27 11:11] albertlr Landar: If any.
[2016/02/27 11:12] Muxe Magic: I'm still having issues with UNIX vs MS and domain vs using just the avi name. Zombies apoc'd all over me, but I'd be kewl to troubleshoot n stuff. As long as it doesn't jack up my hybrid linquistics
[2016/02/27 11:12] IM: Unadecal Masala: Hiya. Are you at Townhall?
[2016/02/27 11:12] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: One of the things I am curious about is that the viewers are holding back Openim
[2016/02/27 11:13] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: It would be good to know exactly what hare the features that is missing
[2016/02/27 11:13] Muxe Magic: darned skippy! intentionally
[2016/02/27 11:13] albertlr Landar: you mean the statements that Nebadon made.
[2016/02/27 11:13] IM: Unadecal Masala: please
[2016/02/27 11:13] Muxe Magic: in a big way as politics go
[2016/02/27 11:13] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes, but I have seen it all over
[2016/02/27 11:13] albertlr Landar: That was not stated properly.
[2016/02/27 11:13] Teleport offer sent to Unadecal Masala
[2016/02/27 11:13] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it also get repeated on sites such as HGB
[2016/02/27 11:13] Muxe Magic: or my butt would be IN this chair not on it.
[2016/02/27 11:14] oscar jones: firestorm viewer has darkstorm... you cant get it unless you make a accnt
[2016/02/27 11:14] Muxe Magic: like so
[2016/02/27 11:14] albertlr Landar: Ok basically what he was trying to say is the using the SL protocols is what is holding back opensimulator.
[2016/02/27 11:14] stiofain nbmcmedia: one thing needed for events is a standard slurl type of link
[2016/02/27 11:14] IM: Unadecal Masala: thanks :)
[2016/02/27 11:14] albertlr Landar: And that is why some fo the core developers are experimenting with a differt type viewer.
[2016/02/27 11:14] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: si there a spec on what those are?
[2016/02/27 11:14] albertlr Landar: not based on SL.
[2016/02/27 11:15] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and what they should be?
[2016/02/27 11:15] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: for opensim
[2016/02/27 11:15] oscar jones: http://forum.kinggoon.co/thread-75319.html
[2016/02/27 11:15] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: the lludp protocol isn't even fully supported, so i'm not sure how such a case can be made.
[2016/02/27 11:15] albertlr Landar: Well I think we might see exactly what they were referring too in the not to distance future.
[2016/02/27 11:15] dan banner: from my undedrstanding the viewer currently being developed requires a module
[2016/02/27 11:16] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: oscar, you probably don't want to be using darkstorm unless you like sharing your passwords with the guy who makes it.
[2016/02/27 11:16] albertlr Landar: By have anyone of looked at what Diva has been doing with ther Onlook viewer
[2016/02/27 11:16] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: it's severely backdoored.
[2016/02/27 11:16] dan banner: and wether that module is going to be made available in core is unknown
[2016/02/27 11:16] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: On Look is a modified Siungularity
[2016/02/27 11:17] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: nad it seems like Singularity is having problems progressing at the moment
[2016/02/27 11:17] dan banner: onlook is another viewer that uses modules
[2016/02/27 11:17] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: probalby because of outdated libraries
[2016/02/27 11:17] albertlr Landar: yes, but that also gives some insight to what the core developers are looking for.
[2016/02/27 11:17] oscar jones: thats ok i really dont think he going to target me for any reason
[2016/02/27 11:17] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: ok, just so that you're aware. :)
[2016/02/27 11:18] albertlr Landar: And Dan is correct, they want a modual type viewer. To reduce the size of the memory usage in the viewer.
[2016/02/27 11:18] oscar jones: the vewer has alot of abilities for import export
[2016/02/27 11:18] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: There are actually two - three general issues for the viewer developers:
[2016/02/27 11:18] albertlr Landar: So what one person may need another won't.
[2016/02/27 11:18] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: 1. keep up with new version of operatign systems
[2016/02/27 11:18] Muxe Magic: there is also a glitch that borks up 2D browsers. Chrome vs Firefox. mix them up and there's hell to pay. What I don't like about Chrome is that it uses a new process for each tab like we did to allocate memory back in the day.
[2016/02/27 11:18] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: 2. keep up with the large nubmer of changes LL is doing under to hood
[2016/02/27 11:18] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: 3. jeep up with Opensim
[2016/02/27 11:19] albertlr Landar: And that brings up a good point.
[2016/02/27 11:19] Muxe Magic: I refuse to Win10 and we are NOT alone in that scenario
[2016/02/27 11:19] albertlr Landar: The core developers feel that SL has gotten to a point, that the new changes they are making are not what would work in opensimulator anyway.
[2016/02/27 11:20] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: you mean like object culling and interest lists?
[2016/02/27 11:20] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: some maybe, but most will still work
[2016/02/27 11:20] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: would would certainly help, especially wright plaza.
[2016/02/27 11:20] Muxe Magic: we're also far ahead of that ghetto in other aspects that brought us here
[2016/02/27 11:20] albertlr Landar: Yea.
[2016/02/27 11:20] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: and AIS3 and inventory pipelining.
[2016/02/27 11:21] albertlr Landar: I really admire you developers on the viewers that are able to get those things working in opensim.
[2016/02/27 11:21] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: none of the recent innovations from ll have even been attempted in opensim.
[2016/02/27 11:21] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the new avatar and skeleton should be possible to get to work and would benefit everyone
[2016/02/27 11:21] albertlr Landar: And I know the users do to, you don't get enough credit for the great work you do.
[2016/02/27 11:21] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: and by recent i mean 2011 and later.
[2016/02/27 11:21] albertlr Landar: Agreed.
[2016/02/27 11:22] Lucy Afarensis: It would be nice to put water on a prim
[2016/02/27 11:22] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: system water?
[2016/02/27 11:22] Lucy Afarensis: yes
[2016/02/27 11:23] Muxe Magic: oooh, so nice
[2016/02/27 11:23] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: volumetric water would be amazing, but not likey to ever be implemented.
[2016/02/27 11:23] Muxe Magic: people can have pools in the sky
[2016/02/27 11:23] albertlr Landar: Gavin and Cinder please give me the perferred URL to give to the public if they will provide your with testing grids for your viewers or any other freed back you might like before you leave.
[2016/02/27 11:24] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: i work for a grid so i'm able to test and have been.
[2016/02/27 11:24] albertlr Landar: Ok, thats good.
[2016/02/27 11:24] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: littlefield has also been very open to setting up test regions and such.
[2016/02/27 11:24] albertlr Landar: Well would testing your viewer on the bleeding edge opensimulator be of any help to you.
[2016/02/27 11:25] albertlr Landar: Ok then maybe Walter would help Gavin and the Kokua also.
[2016/02/27 11:25] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: not really, not until around RC time. otherwise you're aiming at a moving target.
[2016/02/27 11:25] albertlr Landar: I will talk to Walter about that.
[2016/02/27 11:26] albertlr Landar: Well for now the last release has really slowed down for a while, so it is pretty stable at the moment.
[2016/02/27 11:26] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: http://blog.kokuaviewer.org
[2016/02/27 11:26] Hans Nerido: hello all
[2016/02/27 11:26] albertlr Landar: But understood.
[2016/02/27 11:26] dan banner: hey hans
[2016/02/27 11:26] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: sorry about that
[2016/02/27 11:26] Kyla Vixen: Hey there)
[2016/02/27 11:26] albertlr Landar: Hello Hans
[2016/02/27 11:26] Total Sorbet waves
[2016/02/27 11:27] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: if there's ever anything i need to check in current, i have a few regions on osgrid setup. :)
[2016/02/27 11:27] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: so i'm able to see the dev code in action as well.
[2016/02/27 11:28] albertlr Landar: I am going to be working on the OSgrid Wiki and the Opensimulator Wiki to try to fix a lot of the missing links, and to add links for all the various viewers to new and old users can better locate what is available out there.
[2016/02/27 11:28] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: just not the robust end of it.
[2016/02/27 11:28] albertlr Landar: Ok that sounds good. Cinder if you ever need anything to help you please don't hesitate to ask me or Dan.
[2016/02/27 11:28] Hans Nerido: .
[2016/02/27 11:28] Kyla Vixen: oh thats great!
[2016/02/27 11:28] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: ok
[2016/02/27 11:29] albertlr Landar: Now questions.
[2016/02/27 11:29] Kyla Vixen: it needs updating for long time
[2016/02/27 11:29] albertlr Landar: anyone have any regarding just about anything related to opensimulator.
[2016/02/27 11:29] Jeff Hall: ill keep following in JIRA for viewer:)
[2016/02/27 11:30] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I am sure you get a lot of bug reports that is viewer specific, but that does not end up in Mantis as it is not directly the dev code
[2016/02/27 11:30] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: how do you go about those?
[2016/02/27 11:30] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: alchemy's bug report tool is here, btw: https://alchemy.atlassian.net we love bug reports.
[2016/02/27 11:30] Kyla Vixen: What and where is the right way to report those bugz?
[2016/02/27 11:31] oscar jones: i thought maybe could toss this oar up to pubic for fund raiser to send to dan
[2016/02/27 11:31] Kyla Vixen: oh ok
[2016/02/27 11:31] albertlr Landar: I think that is proably what confuses a lot of users.
[2016/02/27 11:31] Hans Nerido: 1 major prob is no user talks to the viewer devs.........
[2016/02/27 11:31] albertlr Landar: When they see a problem, is the viewer or the opensimulator.
[2016/02/27 11:31] Hans Nerido: they like it to blame all devs for bugs
[2016/02/27 11:31] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: ai austin is usually pretty good at linking viewer specific problem against mantis issues.
[2016/02/27 11:31] Lucy Afarensis: sometimes it is hard for auser to know where the problem is
[2016/02/27 11:32] albertlr Landar: Well they don't seem to realize its two different software programs working together.
[2016/02/27 11:32] stiofain nbmcmedia: just my earlier question about a standard slurl equivalent
[2016/02/27 11:32] Kyla Vixen: Yes Im using Fs but i try same things in Alchemy and Singu and find its mostly the same
[2016/02/27 11:32] Muxe Magic: *facepal* with a side of BOY HOWDY!
[2016/02/27 11:32] albertlr Landar: And they are each written in two differnt languages.
[2016/02/27 11:33] albertlr Landar: And that is a good approach to narrow it down.
[2016/02/27 11:33] albertlr Landar: Trial and Error.
[2016/02/27 11:33] Hans Nerido: they do albert but its easier to blame the devs in some forums as to talk with them
[2016/02/27 11:33] Kyla Vixen: Well for an example... everyone agrees that search is suxx? is it OS problem?
[2016/02/27 11:33] Kayaker Magic: I'm looking at the opensimulator download page, I don't see a binary package for 0.9, is that available somewhere?
[2016/02/27 11:34] Muxe Magic: I seem to have the ghetto code for some languages. But I don't know, what's my line now that I'm "retired"
[2016/02/27 11:34] Kyla Vixen: Kay, OSGrid has one set up for theirs grid
[2016/02/27 11:34] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: parcel search isn't included in OpenSim core, it's a third party module.
[2016/02/27 11:34] dan banner: kayaker: we have a binary for osgrid on the osgrid download page
[2016/02/27 11:34] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: (and it's written in yet another language as well)
[2016/02/27 11:34] Kayaker Magic: going there now, thanks.
[2016/02/27 11:34] dan banner: it can be reconfigured to run as standalone or connect to other grids
[2016/02/27 11:35] Kyla Vixen: Thanks Cinder. We have third to blame - Grid owners/admins)
[2016/02/27 11:35] Kyla Vixen: ☆ ->~*~Partyyyyyyyyyy!!!!~*~ <- ☆
[2016/02/27 11:35] Kyla Vixen: damn gestures
[2016/02/27 11:35] Unadecal Masala: Search is probably a grid-specific problem, but is there a wili explaining how to configure and populate a seach database anywhere? are there helpers for that?
[2016/02/27 11:35] Unadecal Masala: *wiki
[2016/02/27 11:35] Muxe Magic: the problem with the browsers and communications is finding a key. some think in North vs South, forgetting East vs West and NW/NE and so on. put them together and I get Patois
[2016/02/27 11:35] albertlr Landar: One of the new additions to the wiki which will be coming.
[2016/02/27 11:35] Muxe Magic: and a cinnamon bun (cinnabon)
[2016/02/27 11:36] Kyla Vixen: oh hi Az
[2016/02/27 11:36] albertlr Landar: Cinda is your viewer based on Firestorm?
[2016/02/27 11:37] Kyla Vixen: Btw is it so hard to port Phototools from FS to others viewers? thats the thing i really need of it
[2016/02/27 11:37] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: no, it's based on second life's viewer.
[2016/02/27 11:37] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: same as the Kokua
[2016/02/27 11:37] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: kyle, i've been working on something like that for alchemy this week in fact. :)
[2016/02/27 11:37] albertlr Landar: Oh ok, so it is more direct from SL.
[2016/02/27 11:37] Kyla Vixen: Oh greaat
[2016/02/27 11:37] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: with some FS code and RLV directly from Marine Kelly
[2016/02/27 11:38] Hans Nerido: the alchemy works not bad here :-)))
[2016/02/27 11:38] albertlr Landar: Well I realize that some parts are gather from other viewers.
[2016/02/27 11:38] dan banner: ya alchemy is decent
[2016/02/27 11:38] Kyla Vixen: I found Alchemy to be a bit faster i must note
[2016/02/27 11:38] albertlr Landar: Ok maybe we should add you to our download page if that is ok.
[2016/02/27 11:38] albertlr Landar: Try to get you some feed back from the users.
[2016/02/27 11:38] Hans Nerido: for sure albert
[2016/02/27 11:38] Kyla Vixen: i dont like the interface though, I do miss my friendlist in chat and some other things
[2016/02/27 11:38] Jeff Hall: looking forward to see Lightshare implementing in Alchemy
[2016/02/27 11:39] Hans Nerido: this viewer is stable and fast :-))
[2016/02/27 11:39] Kyla Vixen: But I do like the URL field)
[2016/02/27 11:39] dan banner: if osgrid can be one of the default grids in the grid selector i'll be happy to add it
[2016/02/27 11:39] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: yeah, i still need to finish lightshare.
[2016/02/27 11:39] Bogus.Curry @dorenas-world.de:8002: hi Hans ;D
[2016/02/27 11:39] Jeff Hall: im the JIRA pusher Cinder;)
[2016/02/27 11:39] Hans Nerido: than move your butt up Cinder :-))))
[2016/02/27 11:39] albertlr Landar: well if Cinda can do that it would be great.
[2016/02/27 11:39] Kyla Vixen: yes why not add some gridz
[2016/02/27 11:40] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: we don't have a default grid list.
[2016/02/27 11:40] Kyla Vixen: mm but why?
[2016/02/27 11:40] albertlr Landar: I think that is one of the problems with some of the viewers its adding their own grid or other one to the default list.
[2016/02/27 11:40] albertlr Landar: Its just too difficult for them to figure it out.
[2016/02/27 11:40] Kyla Vixen: Im asking because i had some issues getting my friends from SL here )
[2016/02/27 11:40] Lucy Afarensis: singularity is easy
[2016/02/27 11:40] dan banner: adding a viewer to our list that new users cant figure out how to login here is a problem
[2016/02/27 11:40] Lucy Afarensis: to add
[2016/02/27 11:40] Hans Nerido: bogus pls stop to spam me !
[2016/02/27 11:41] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Kokua has OSGrid in the standard list
[2016/02/27 11:41] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: because i chose to write an opensim implementation that would be less grid-centric. i added a way to add grids from a specially formed url.
[2016/02/27 11:41] albertlr Landar: yea and works very well.
[2016/02/27 11:41] albertlr Landar: hum ok
[2016/02/27 11:41] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: the idea is soon you'll be able to click a link on a webpage and that will automatically add the grid and log you in to that region.
[2016/02/27 11:42] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: no eed to fumble with configuration.
[2016/02/27 11:42] Kyla Vixen: Isnt "less grid centric" means "more grid-diversal" ?
[2016/02/27 11:42] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: *need
[2016/02/27 11:42] albertlr Landar: well not to be rude to some uses, but sometimes it helps to be as simple as possible for them.
[2016/02/27 11:42] stiofain nbmcmedia: just wghat i want to hear cinders
[2016/02/27 11:42] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: or someone maintained a grid list one place that everyone could sucsribe to
[2016/02/27 11:42] oscar jones: any of i can be done with commands if you know how believe me i dont ;/
[2016/02/27 11:42] Muxe Magic: This is our Digital UN, an the golden rule is very pirate. What's fair on the field is fair in practice so basically, (don't be a jerk)
[2016/02/27 11:43] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: kindoff like opensim virtual or the destination guide Maria maintains
[2016/02/27 11:43] albertlr Landar: One request I would like to make to everyone here.
[2016/02/27 11:43] Kyla Vixen: mmn if user enters the name like vasya@osgrid could that be enoughg?
[2016/02/27 11:43] stiofain nbmcmedia: all those things seem to come and go gav
[2016/02/27 11:44] albertlr Landar: We do need more active core developers, that have a good knowledge of C#.
[2016/02/27 11:44] Kyla Vixen: needs a viewer to resolve that name
[2016/02/27 11:44] albertlr Landar: If you do and they want to donate their time, please have them contact me.
[2016/02/27 11:44] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: well, eventually maria will have links on her site where you'd just be able to click the destination, it opens the viewer no matter what grid, logs you into your home account, and you're there.
[2016/02/27 11:44] Kyla Vixen: I had idea of putting OS to the Kckstarter or Summer of COde
[2016/02/27 11:44] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: no opening the map, etc.
[2016/02/27 11:45] dan banner: kind of like opensimworld works now
[2016/02/27 11:45] Kyla Vixen: but i cant imagine what features devscan use in proposals
[2016/02/27 11:45] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: yeah.
[2016/02/27 11:45] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: there are too many steps to get inworld.
[2016/02/27 11:45] albertlr Landar: How about adding a botton to then store that location in the grid selector, if you have one.
[2016/02/27 11:45] Jeff Hall: i unfortunately know more VB net than C# Albert but if i hear abour people i will tell
[2016/02/27 11:45] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes, sorry I meant opensimworld
[2016/02/27 11:45] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: if we make it less steps, more people can use it.
[2016/02/27 11:45] stiofain nbmcmedia: def too many hurdless more than steps
[2016/02/27 11:45] albertlr Landar: yea that is very true.
[2016/02/27 11:46] Kyla Vixen: yes but plz dont forget those non-english speaking
[2016/02/27 11:46] Muxe Magic: I have some grey areas I need to discuss regarding abandoned stuff.
[2016/02/27 11:46] Muxe Magic: hablo Spanglish
[2016/02/27 11:46] Kyla Vixen: clicking a link on a page means understanding what`s written there
[2016/02/27 11:47] albertlr Landar: very ture.
[2016/02/27 11:47] Kyla Vixen: or it have to be a RED BIG BUTTON
[2016/02/27 11:47] Muxe Magic: but my voice is a little wrecked atm. HMS Pinafore program wore me out and I actually sound like a GOOSE right now.
[2016/02/27 11:47] Jess G: hi all
[2016/02/27 11:47] albertlr Landar: Hi Jess
[2016/02/27 11:48] albertlr Landar: We are going to post this chat in the wiki just like it has been done for the DEv. meetings on Tuesdays.
[2016/02/27 11:48] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: great
[2016/02/27 11:48] albertlr Landar: So those that were not here from the beginning will be able to read what went on and what was said.
[2016/02/27 11:48] Lucy Afarensis: Are the dev meetings going to continue ?
[2016/02/27 11:49] Jeff Hall: thanks for doing Albert
[2016/02/27 11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: is it possible to post both chats word-wrapped?
[2016/02/27 11:49] Muxe Magic: reviving my Jamaican accent for the show....seems to be the cornerstone of many
[2016/02/27 11:49] albertlr Landar: Yes Andew will be helping with that.
[2016/02/27 11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it makes it easier on all the devices people use these days
[2016/02/27 11:49] dan banner: gavin i noticed that too
[2016/02/27 11:49] albertlr Landar: And I will attend also, not that I am any type of developer, just a user like everyone else.
[2016/02/27 11:50] albertlr Landar: But we want to try to keep the lines of communication open as much as possible, while the slow down is going on.
[2016/02/27 11:50] albertlr Landar: And if we had more active developers right now more of the bugs would be addressed.
[2016/02/27 11:51] albertlr Landar: But unfortunately right now the main developers have too many obligations and day jobs themeselves.
[2016/02/27 11:51] albertlr Landar: Patches are still welcom hose.
[2016/02/27 11:51] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: actaully for Opensim it would be better to take a year to jsut fix current functionality and not pile on new stuff
[2016/02/27 11:52] dan banner: agreed
[2016/02/27 11:52] Kyla Vixen: if someone can put a major line a kickstarter goal can be startedand a developer can be hired
[2016/02/27 11:52] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there are tons of things that only work so, so and it would be great to get it working properly
[2016/02/27 11:52] albertlr Landar: Here is a page that Diva posted earlier last year, when there was some confusion and how the patch process works.
[2016/02/27 11:52] Serene Jewell: Thanks for the work you are doing to keep communication open, albertir.
[2016/02/27 11:52] Jeff Hall: that slowdown can be a nice occasions to increase viewers compatibility
[2016/02/27 11:52] albertlr Landar: http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensi ... simulator/
[2016/02/27 11:53] albertlr Landar: If you have not read Diva's post I urge you to do so. This is basically a guideline for anyone wanting to help with the development process.
[2016/02/27 11:53] albertlr Landar: And please pass this page on to anyone you might know that may be of help to the improvement of opensimulator.
[2016/02/27 11:53] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there also needs to be much attention on backward compatibility / migration as people get bigger and bigger grids
[2016/02/27 11:54] Kyla Vixen: Wish I had C# experience
[2016/02/27 11:54] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: otherwise you will see the same type of fragementation you have on Andoid
[2016/02/27 11:54] Truelie Telling: oh gotta run.. rl!
[2016/02/27 11:54] albertlr Landar: I think the examples of what was accepted and what was rejected listed below should be a good help in better understanding the process.
[2016/02/27 11:54] Matilda Charron is Online
[2016/02/27 11:55] Muxe Magic: I've been getting a lot of help at LBSA, so I could do the Wilkommen thing here when my RL dust settle....but my gear has been jacked.
[2016/02/27 11:55] Muxe Magic: ta ta True
[2016/02/27 11:55] Kayaker Magic: C# is just MicroSquishie's bastard revision of Java.
[2016/02/27 11:55] Muxe Magic: screw C#.. ijs
[2016/02/27 11:55] albertlr Landar: But it runs opensimulator.
[2016/02/27 11:55] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: which mostly run on a basterd version of Microsoft .Net
[2016/02/27 11:55] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: hehe
[2016/02/27 11:55] Muxe Magic: and C++, I freakin h8 programming
[2016/02/27 11:56] Kyla Vixen: does Mono runs it well?
[2016/02/27 11:56] Kayaker Magic: I'm just saying if you speak Java you can probably find your way around C#
[2016/02/27 11:56] oscar jones: any suggestions on 80 gig freespace used up in 3 weeks?
[2016/02/27 11:56] Muxe Magic: ew, the corporate plantation wants us back.
[2016/02/27 11:57] albertlr Landar: Mono is used for Linux version, and Net is used in the MS version.
[2016/02/27 11:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it runs very well on mono for OS X
[2016/02/27 11:57] Kayaker Magic: And yes, opensim works well under mono
[2016/02/27 11:57] dan banner: oscar is this from a grid you're running or osgrid simulator?
[2016/02/27 11:57] Kyla Vixen: i meant if it has its own bugs
[2016/02/27 11:58] dan banner: most likely its going to be assets and/or cache files
[2016/02/27 11:58] Kyla Vixen: I was hoping to start it someday
[2016/02/27 11:58] oscar jones: my sim is on osgrid
[2016/02/27 11:58] oscar jones: grid hypergrid mode
[2016/02/27 11:58] Kyla Vixen: Btw Ive found assets issues arent rare ... is there a guide hoe to resolve those?
[2016/02/27 11:58] Muxe Magic: Mono... lol.. kissin disease.... got better things to kiss than that poser's caboose
[2016/02/27 11:59] Matilda Charron is Offline
[2016/02/27 11:59] Kyla Vixen: Oscar, using MySQL database?
[2016/02/27 11:59] oscar jones: it is running yes but dont need it for current mode
[2016/02/27 11:59] albertlr Landar: Well I must run myself, but we will be here next week same time. Dan is going to take over since I must leave now. Thanks to everyone for coming.
[2016/02/27 12:00] Kyla Vixen: maybe it had eaten space and needs shrinking?
[2016/02/27 12:00] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Thanks Albertir
[2016/02/27 12:00] albertlr Landar: thank you
[2016/02/27 12:00] Jeff Hall: ty Albert and have a nice saturday
[2016/02/27 12:00] Dali Dimsum: thank you
[2016/02/27 12:00] dan banner: tc albert
[2016/02/27 12:00] Foxx Bode: *-* ByE *-*
[2016/02/27 12:00] Matilda Charron is Online
[2016/02/27 12:00] Kyla Vixen: cyas Albert
[2016/02/27 12:00] Lucy Afarensis: watch out for those wasps
[2016/02/27 12:00] dan banner: lol
[2016/02/27 12:00] Hans Nerido: bye albert
[2016/02/27 12:00] Hans Nerido: :-)))
[2016/02/27 12:00] Muxe Magic: and Squirrels
[2016/02/27 12:01] Lucy Afarensis: hehe
[2016/02/27 12:01] Cinder.YrrrTeam @grid.yrgrid.com:8002: i'm off too, gotta get back to work.
[2016/02/27 12:01] Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.6 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
[2016/02/27 12:01] Jak Daniels is Online
[2016/02/27 12:01] Muxe Magic: Ciao maineframe
[2016/02/27 12:02] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Dev ab12a14: 2016-02-21 11:14:02 -0800 (Unix/Mono)
[2016/02/27 12:02] Jak Daniels is Offline
[2016/02/27 12:02] Jak Daniels is Online
[2016/02/27 12:02] Kyla Vixen: "Miss me?"
[2016/02/27 12:03] Muxe Magic: does anyone have a swingline stapler, btw?
[2016/02/27 12:03] Lucy Afarensis: yes
[2016/02/27 12:03] Kayaker Magic: Nope, mine is Bost5itch
[2016/02/27 12:03] Muxe Magic: ooooh, pretty please?
[2016/02/27 12:04] Muxe Magic: I need a red Swingline...
[2016/02/27 12:04] Muxe Magic: a cobra commander and a tricycle
[2016/02/27 12:04] Lucy Afarensis: My rl to virtual tp doe not work yet
[2016/02/27 12:04] Lucy Afarensis: does
[2016/02/27 12:04] Jeff Hall: lol
[2016/02/27 12:04] oscar jones: yeah Kyla i was wondering about dumping the mysql data stored
[2016/02/27 12:04] Muxe Magic: we got elections going on...
[2016/02/27 12:05] Kyla Vixen: at least if so you can find if its a culprit easily
[2016/02/27 12:05] Kyla Vixen: we had this at corp site once
[2016/02/27 12:05] Muxe Magic: Anyone here from UNESCO?
[2016/02/27 12:05] oscar jones: but the sql uses the apache server eh ?
[2016/02/27 12:05] Kyla Vixen: mm is it linked to the red Stapler somehow?
[2016/02/27 12:06] Kyla Vixen: Oscar im not sure
[2016/02/27 12:06] Kyla Vixen: but i think it isnt, or maybe some cache can be growinf
[2016/02/27 12:06] dan banner: mysql does not require apache
[2016/02/27 12:06] Kyla Vixen: g
[2016/02/27 12:06] dan banner: myphpadmin does tho
[2016/02/27 12:07] Jess G: you need apache only if you use phpmysql
[2016/02/27 12:07] Muxe Magic: oh yeah. if you know the View Askew movies
[2016/02/27 12:08] Micki Jonson: I use MariaDB
[2016/02/27 12:08] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Postgres
[2016/02/27 12:08] oscar jones: maria db is mysql
[2016/02/27 12:08] dan banner: pretty much
[2016/02/27 12:08] dan banner: very similar now
[2016/02/27 12:09] Micki Jonson: oracle buy mysql
[2016/02/27 12:09] Hans Nerido: maria db 10 based on mysql 5.7.........
[2016/02/27 12:09] oscar jones: it all ties with apache server somehow they have the free services and paid for services also
[2016/02/27 12:09] oscar jones: hamachi is apache
[2016/02/27 12:10] Muxe Magic: but we lost translators and can't talk about it?
[2016/02/27 12:10] oscar jones: wampp
[2016/02/27 12:10] oscar jones: mowes
[2016/02/27 12:10] oscar jones: all apache server services
[2016/02/27 12:10] Hans Nerido: mowes is still around ?
[2016/02/27 12:10] Hans Nerido: i tho they closed all for about 3 years ago
[2016/02/27 12:10] Snakedance Moonwing: arribasim use it
[2016/02/27 12:10] Unadecal Masala: mowes is a dead project as far as I know
[2016/02/27 12:11] Lucy Afarensis: Foxx's big doobie is giving my typist ideas I should go now
[2016/02/27 12:11] Foxx Bode: *-* HeHeHehe*-*
[2016/02/27 12:11] Foxx Bode: *-* ByE *-*
[2016/02/27 12:11] oscar jones: i use mowes to run diva
[2016/02/27 12:11] Hans Nerido: i dont trust freaky alot
[2016/02/27 12:11] Hans Nerido: if he lost the fun
[2016/02/27 12:11] Hans Nerido: he stop to work on arriba
[2016/02/27 12:12] oscar jones: diva files stripped down classroom version barely can run
[2016/02/27 12:12] Snakedance Moonwing: it uses mowes
[2016/02/27 12:12] oscar jones: yes
[2016/02/27 12:12] Muxe Magic: Cobra Commander on a tricycle weilding a red Swingline. (Office space)
[2016/02/27 12:12] Hans Nerido: mowes is rather old snake
[2016/02/27 12:12] Hans Nerido: they stop to work for 3 years ago...
[2016/02/27 12:12] Snakedance Moonwing: so are alot of the residents :P
[2016/02/27 12:12] Snakedance Moonwing: what you point
[2016/02/27 12:13] oscar jones: lol
[2016/02/27 12:13] Snakedance Moonwing: sorry, just a lil comedy :P
[2016/02/27 12:13] Muxe Magic: to me, mods are how you get Barney, the purpe dino as a target in Doom. so...
[2016/02/27 12:13] oscar jones: i've learned alot in the last 2 months n still freakin lost lol
[2016/02/27 12:14] Muxe Magic: do NOT check my rez-date
[2016/02/27 12:14] Hans Nerido: heheh
[2016/02/27 12:14] Could not teleport.
Agent is already in transit.
[2016/02/27 12:14] oscar jones: now up against puter lost 80 gig freespace gotts fix this issue
[2016/02/27 12:14] Muxe Magic: I miss my berthday? sniffles


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