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 Post subject: Saturday Q&A for January 5th, 2019
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:09 pm 
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[2019/01/05 10:54] Arrwyll Barzane: nice hat...
[2019/01/05 10:54] Koni Lanzius: good morning all
[2019/01/05 10:54] albertlr Landar: greeting all
[2019/01/05 10:55] Koni Lanzius: and thanks
[2019/01/05 10:55] Arrwyll Barzane: hey albert
[2019/01/05 10:55] albertlr Landar: hi
[2019/01/05 10:56] albertlr Landar: I got a message from Foxx this morning that DJ Princess had a seizure and was in hospital.
[2019/01/05 10:56] albertlr Landar: But was suppose to be released.
[2019/01/05 10:56] Koni Lanzius: oh my
[2019/01/05 10:56] Arrwyll Barzane: oh my that isn't good at all
[2019/01/05 10:56] Koni Lanzius: i hope she is feeling better
[2019/01/05 10:56] albertlr Landar: And our paela was also admitted.
[2019/01/05 10:56] Koni Lanzius: rly?
[2019/01/05 10:57] Koni Lanzius: whats wrong?
[2019/01/05 10:57] Arrwyll Barzane: good news shes being released so soon
[2019/01/05 10:57] albertlr Landar: not sure
[2019/01/05 10:57] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: hello everyone, happy new year
[2019/01/05 10:57] Romulun Rockett: Hello all :)
[2019/01/05 10:57] Arrwyll Barzane: hello
[2019/01/05 10:57] albertlr Landar: hope for the best.
[2019/01/05 10:57] Koni Lanzius: hey Romulun
[2019/01/05 10:57] Arrwyll Barzane: we don't know whats wrong with paela?
[2019/01/05 10:57] Romulun Rockett: happy new year to you too, lets hope it's better than 2018 LOL :)
[2019/01/05 10:57] albertlr Landar: I see she is logged into Osgrid, just not responding right now.
[2019/01/05 10:57] Arrwyll Barzane: yes he is and an alt too
[2019/01/05 10:58] albertlr Landar: lets hope for the best.
[2019/01/05 10:58] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: i'm dead sure it will, b/c we will make it so ;) after all we are future world builders
[2019/01/05 10:58] George Equus is Online
[2019/01/05 10:58] Koni Lanzius: hey Izzie!
[2019/01/05 10:58] Romulun Rockett: Hello Roland :)
[2019/01/05 10:58] Izzie Applewhyte: Hi
[2019/01/05 10:59] Koni Lanzius: :)
[2019/01/05 10:59] albertlr Landar: Hello Jeff and George
[2019/01/05 10:59] Romulun Rockett: Hello Izzie :)
[2019/01/05 10:59] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: Hi Jeff
[2019/01/05 10:59] Koni Lanzius: hi Jeff
[2019/01/05 10:59] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: welcome
[2019/01/05 10:59] albertlr Landar: And Izzy.
[2019/01/05 10:59] Jeff Hall: hi everyone
[2019/01/05 10:59] Koni Lanzius: oh hi George
[2019/01/05 10:59] Arrwyll Barzane: hey izzie, come and join us :))
[2019/01/05 10:59] Arrwyll Barzane: hey Jeff, George
[2019/01/05 10:59] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: Hey George
[2019/01/05 10:59] Romulun Rockett: Hello George & Jeff :)
[2019/01/05 10:59] George Equus: Evening all
[2019/01/05 11:00] albertlr Landar: Evening George
[2019/01/05 11:00] albertlr Landar: Things seem to be going a little slow in the New Year on OSgrid.
[2019/01/05 11:00] albertlr Landar: But hope everyone had a Happy New Year, and it was good.
[2019/01/05 11:01] Koni Lanzius: yes the parties were great
[2019/01/05 11:01] Koni Lanzius: i posted the slideshows on MeWe
[2019/01/05 11:01] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: still recovering ;)
[2019/01/05 11:01] albertlr Landar: And thank you Koni for the Vidoes of the parties and events.
[2019/01/05 11:01] Koni Lanzius: yvw :)
[2019/01/05 11:02] albertlr Landar: Do you have some links for those that have not seen them?
[2019/01/05 11:02] Koni Lanzius: was fun
[2019/01/05 11:02] Koni Lanzius: New Year's Eve
https://youtu.be/rR7SAzGueOI

Xmas
https://youtu.be/J907nIkg2R8
[2019/01/05 11:02] Romulun Rockett: Thanks :)
[2019/01/05 11:02] albertlr Landar: thanks
[2019/01/05 11:02] Koni Lanzius: sure
[2019/01/05 11:03] Koni Lanzius: thats the OSG YouTube site that Foxx created
[2019/01/05 11:03] albertlr Landar: Like every year, I stay inside on New Years.
[2019/01/05 11:03] albertlr Landar: found its safer.
[2019/01/05 11:03] albertlr Landar: Oh great.
[2019/01/05 11:03] Koni Lanzius: but i can share them with anyone via drive if they want to put them other places
[2019/01/05 11:04] Koni Lanzius: How is Stio doing, George?
[2019/01/05 11:04] George Equus: Thanks. Not getting anything in my e-mail from MeWe
[2019/01/05 11:04] Koni Lanzius: ahh
[2019/01/05 11:04] George Equus: Stio is doing fine, but slow, no wonder with all that damage
[2019/01/05 11:04] albertlr Landar: Now what happened to Stio?
[2019/01/05 11:04] Koni Lanzius: yea some folks say that they refuse to use MeWe, so dunno..
[2019/01/05 11:05] George Equus: Is at home in his own bed, happy about that
[2019/01/05 11:05] Koni Lanzius: good, that progress
[2019/01/05 11:05] Azi Az is Online
[2019/01/05 11:05] Koni Lanzius: that's*
[2019/01/05 11:05] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: mewe is a challenge, but it seems do do the job
[2019/01/05 11:06] albertlr Landar: Will as I mentioned before we started, Foxx tells me that both DJ Princess and paela were in hospital.
[2019/01/05 11:06] George Equus: Albert, Stio had a really bad fall at home and broke his back, cracked some ribs and got 14 stitches in the forehead
[2019/01/05 11:06] Ayesha Rasmuson is Online
[2019/01/05 11:06] Koni Lanzius: I believe that Stio fell
[2019/01/05 11:06] albertlr Landar: DJ Princess should be released, had a seizure I understand.
[2019/01/05 11:07] Koni Lanzius: :(
[2019/01/05 11:07] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: ouch
[2019/01/05 11:07] albertlr Landar: Oh dear, but is recovering.
[2019/01/05 11:07] Koni Lanzius: rough holiday for these folks
[2019/01/05 11:07] albertlr Landar: No word on peala.
[2019/01/05 11:07] albertlr Landar: gee new year is having more of a rough time now than expected.
[2019/01/05 11:07] Koni Lanzius: yea
[2019/01/05 11:07] albertlr Landar: But glad everyone is ok so far.
[2019/01/05 11:08] albertlr Landar: Lets wish them all the best.
[2019/01/05 11:08] Koni Lanzius: indeed
[2019/01/05 11:08] Romulun Rockett: :( :( sorry to hear that he had such a bad fall :(
[2019/01/05 11:08] Arielle Popstar is Online
[2019/01/05 11:09] George Equus: Terrible English stairs...
[2019/01/05 11:09] Koni Lanzius: very steep, aren't they?
[2019/01/05 11:09] George Equus: very steep
[2019/01/05 11:09] George Equus: +and this one is straight
[2019/01/05 11:09] Jump: Remove floating text
[2019/01/05 11:09] 4096 Platform With Sides & TP: Remove floating text
[2019/01/05 11:09] Pose Stand Rezer: Remove floating text
[2019/01/05 11:09] TP Pad Rezer: Remove floating text
[2019/01/05 11:10] Koni Lanzius: hey love your outfit Roland, very stylish
[2019/01/05 11:10] Romulun Rockett: sorry guys & galls Singularity crashed :(
[2019/01/05 11:10] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: oh, thankies
[2019/01/05 11:10] Arrwyll Barzane: albert, there are several regions around lbsa that are reddish in colour - SL's sign of a restart - they been there for several weeks now, whats up with that?
[2019/01/05 11:10] Koni Lanzius: did Stio fall at home?
[2019/01/05 11:10] albertlr Landar: Hum really do not know.
[2019/01/05 11:11] George Equus: Yes Koni
[2019/01/05 11:11] Arrwyll Barzane: have you seen them lately?
[2019/01/05 11:11] George Equus: Could phone 112 himself
[2019/01/05 11:11] albertlr Landar: I do know that they try to keep them spaced away from lbsa, and in fact all the plazas, to avoid lag.
[2019/01/05 11:11] Arrwyll Barzane: don't know if theres a performance problem, eg servers etc
[2019/01/05 11:11] Koni Lanzius: maybe we should start a gofundme to get him one of the electronic stair rider thingys
[2019/01/05 11:11] Arrwyll Barzane: these are reddish
[2019/01/05 11:12] albertlr Landar: can you teleport to them?
[2019/01/05 11:12] Arrwyll Barzane: no
[2019/01/05 11:12] George Equus: A lift would be swell too :)
[2019/01/05 11:12] Arrwyll Barzane: at least i wasn't able to get to one...
[2019/01/05 11:12] George Equus: TP for your home... anyone?
[2019/01/05 11:12] albertlr Landar: that is a questions for Dan I am afraid.
[2019/01/05 11:12] Arrwyll Barzane: never tried any others
[2019/01/05 11:12] Arrwyll Barzane: ok
[2019/01/05 11:12] Koni Lanzius: https://101mobility.com/blog/stair-lift ... ers-guide/
[2019/01/05 11:13] Koni Lanzius: one of those
[2019/01/05 11:13] George Equus: One problem... darn narrow space
[2019/01/05 11:13] Koni Lanzius: oh humm
[2019/01/05 11:13] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: yeah, tp is more practical, once we get it to work in RL
[2019/01/05 11:14] Koni Lanzius: hehehe
[2019/01/05 11:14] George Equus: definitely
[2019/01/05 11:14] albertlr Landar: if you do, let me know about it.
[2019/01/05 11:14] George Equus: matter of time
[2019/01/05 11:14] Koni Lanzius: hi Arielle
[2019/01/05 11:14] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: chuckles, sure will
[2019/01/05 11:14] George Equus: they can tp several atoms now i believe
[2019/01/05 11:14] albertlr Landar: think of all the air plane travel it would disrupt, not to mention traffic on highways.
[2019/01/05 11:15] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002 smiles at Arielle
[2019/01/05 11:15] Arrwyll Barzane: hi Ari
[2019/01/05 11:15] albertlr Landar: hello Arielle
[2019/01/05 11:15] George Equus: No more land vehicles,
[2019/01/05 11:15] Arielle Popstar: hihi everyone :)
[2019/01/05 11:15] George Equus: or sea
[2019/01/05 11:15] Romulun Rockett: hello Arielle
[2019/01/05 11:15] Arrwyll Barzane: where, Geo?
[2019/01/05 11:15] Koni Lanzius: that would be awesome
[2019/01/05 11:15] George Equus: Hi Arielle
[2019/01/05 11:15] albertlr Landar: problem is I think my body is made up a little more than a couple of atoms.
[2019/01/05 11:15] Koni Lanzius: ~** HAHAHA! **~
[2019/01/05 11:16] George Equus: Yea, that's the problem that need to be addressed
[2019/01/05 11:16] albertlr Landar: if only we could reference our atoms with UUID's
[2019/01/05 11:16] Koni Lanzius: well send Stio out best wishes then and let him know we are happy to help if we can
[2019/01/05 11:17] Koni Lanzius: our*
[2019/01/05 11:17] albertlr Landar: BTW, any one here try the Ancestry DNA or the other DNA tests
[2019/01/05 11:17] George Equus: Sure will, appreciated!
[2019/01/05 11:17] Koni Lanzius: :)
[2019/01/05 11:17] Koni Lanzius: I did 23andme, LOVED it
[2019/01/05 11:17] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: mnope
[2019/01/05 11:18] albertlr Landar: oh, any surprises?
[2019/01/05 11:18] Arrwyll Barzane: i did my family genealogy years ago, before this new dna thing
[2019/01/05 11:18] Romulun Rockett: I've done the Ansestory DNA test
[2019/01/05 11:18] Arrwyll Barzane: yiu trust it?
[2019/01/05 11:18] Koni Lanzius: found out I had 2.9% Neanderthal heritage, very proud of that heheh
[2019/01/05 11:18] albertlr Landar: I already knew myself that I was English, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, French & German, etc.
[2019/01/05 11:18] Romulun Rockett: no not really British / Southern European which is about right for me LOL
[2019/01/05 11:19] albertlr Landar: But was surprised to see Sweden show up.
[2019/01/05 11:19] Arrwyll Barzane: can that be proved?
[2019/01/05 11:19] Koni Lanzius: im brit/irish w 40% undefined northern European heritage
[2019/01/05 11:19] Arrwyll Barzane: birth certificates, marriage, death etc.....
[2019/01/05 11:20] Arrwyll Barzane: its a scam
[2019/01/05 11:20] Koni Lanzius: what is a scam?
[2019/01/05 11:20] Arrwyll Barzane: the dna program
[2019/01/05 11:20] Koni Lanzius: why do u say that?
[2019/01/05 11:21] albertlr Landar: There is a video on youtube in which they did dna of triples.
[2019/01/05 11:21] Arrwyll Barzane: you did it , right?
[2019/01/05 11:21] Koni Lanzius: yea?
[2019/01/05 11:21] Romulun Rockett: well they kept asking me for info about myself before the results came back & I gave them NOTHING, because I didn't want them to just confirm what I told them. But when I saw the results they were a little vague but basically correct.
[2019/01/05 11:21] albertlr Landar: two of the triplets had 7% Scandinavian, but 3rd was 14%
[2019/01/05 11:21] Arrwyll Barzane: did they provide you with certificates of authentication - birth, marriage, death ... military service ??
[2019/01/05 11:22] Koni Lanzius: were they identical triplets?
[2019/01/05 11:22] albertlr Landar: yea
[2019/01/05 11:22] Koni Lanzius: even so, DNa is never exact
[2019/01/05 11:22] albertlr Landar: identical dna, that was proven.
[2019/01/05 11:22] Romulun Rockett: No but I think we should leave this for now because this is an OsGrid meeting not a DNA meeting. Call me any time outside the meeting and we can discuss this, it's not fair to the others.
[2019/01/05 11:22] Arrwyll Barzane: lol
[2019/01/05 11:22] albertlr Landar: well seems even among those with same dna there can be a variation in the percentages
[2019/01/05 11:23] Koni Lanzius: ok Rom
[2019/01/05 11:23] Arrwyll Barzane: agreed Rom
[2019/01/05 11:23] Romulun Rockett: :)
[2019/01/05 11:24] albertlr Landar: but on here you can be related but no know it.
[2019/01/05 11:24] albertlr Landar: not
[2019/01/05 11:24] Arrwyll Barzane: is there any business to discuss, any questions about osg?
[2019/01/05 11:25] albertlr Landar: Well it seems to be stable and working fine right now.
[2019/01/05 11:25] Koni Lanzius whispers: just out of curiosity did admin find a workable asset server situation
[2019/01/05 11:25] Arrwyll Barzane: all i had was about the reddish colored regions surrounding lbsa
[2019/01/05 11:25] albertlr Landar: so good and quiet on the Virtual side of things. Just missing those injured and sick in the real world.
[2019/01/05 11:25] Koni Lanzius: i recall that they were exploring possibilities
[2019/01/05 11:25] Romulun Rockett: yes it's been fine for me recently :)
[2019/01/05 11:26] albertlr Landar: I see that ubit is working on things.
[2019/01/05 11:26] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: will there be an opensimulator release with the improved texture loading any time soon?
[2019/01/05 11:26] albertlr Landar: that
[2019/01/05 11:26] Romulun Rockett: there've been a few occasions when TP's didn't seem to work properly but nothing out of the ordinary.
[2019/01/05 11:26] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: many are using LaNani's version, but I prefer the official one
[2019/01/05 11:26] albertlr Landar: I've not heard of any planned new release yet.
[2019/01/05 11:27] albertlr Landar: But the OSgrid version has already included that.
[2019/01/05 11:27] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: osgrid version has osgrid specifics, can't use that for my grid, can I ?
[2019/01/05 11:28] albertlr Landar: Well if you wish I am sure someone can get build you a recent release if you wish.
[2019/01/05 11:28] Arrwyll Barzane: you do if its attached
[2019/01/05 11:28] Romulun Rockett: I wish Singularity allowd you to set a much biger texture cash, so you didn't have to keep reloading them all the time, for places youve been to quite recently.
[2019/01/05 11:28] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: sadly I'm not a developer, can't compile myself
[2019/01/05 11:28] albertlr Landar: Roland if you contact me later on I can build you a new release.
[2019/01/05 11:28] Arrwyll Barzane: install the normally posted upgrades - download off the osg website
[2019/01/05 11:28] albertlr Landar: I have not done one for myself in a while, but can.
[2019/01/05 11:28] Arielle Popstar: i have used osgrid releases for my own grids before
[2019/01/05 11:28] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: singularity is an abandoned viewer, alas
[2019/01/05 11:29] Arielle Popstar: just dont use the optional modules
[2019/01/05 11:29] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: big thanks in advance albertr
[2019/01/05 11:29] Arrwyll Barzane: you mean the ini files Ari?
[2019/01/05 11:29] albertlr Landar: will be glad too.
[2019/01/05 11:29] Arrwyll Barzane: they do have to be custom to your setup,
[2019/01/05 11:30] albertlr Landar: I have to go to eat after the meeting but will be back on later this evening.
[2019/01/05 11:30] Arielle Popstar: well have to onvert the url's in gridcommon.ini to point to my own addresses
[2019/01/05 11:30] Arielle Popstar: convert
[2019/01/05 11:30] Arrwyll Barzane: i just copy the current ones over onto the new
[2019/01/05 11:30] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002 is Online
[2019/01/05 11:31] Arielle Popstar: other than that i am not aware of the osg release being significantly different from a standard opensim build
[2019/01/05 11:31] Romulun Rockett: ok If Singularity is "abandoned" what are you guys using ?
[2019/01/05 11:31] Koni Lanzius: FS
[2019/01/05 11:31] George Equus: FS
[2019/01/05 11:31] Arrwyll Barzane: FS
[2019/01/05 11:31] George Equus: 5.0.11
[2019/01/05 11:31] Romulun Rockett: ok, I'll have to give it a worl :)
[2019/01/05 11:31] Arielle Popstar: didnt sing devs get some patreon donations to continue?
[2019/01/05 11:31] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: I'm on Firestorm (latest stable release), works quite allright for most of us
[2019/01/05 11:32] albertlr Landar: I still use singularity usually.
[2019/01/05 11:32] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: not that I've seen/heard, Arielle
[2019/01/05 11:32] albertlr Landar: using it now in fact.
[2019/01/05 11:32] George Equus: Can't say I ever had any problems related to the viewer
[2019/01/05 11:32] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: there is a new viewer in the making
[2019/01/05 11:32] George Equus: But is a mouthful to master...
[2019/01/05 11:32] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: heavy enthusiasm by the core team
[2019/01/05 11:33] Koni Lanzius: what is it called?
[2019/01/05 11:33] Mirror Amorasi is Online
[2019/01/05 11:33] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: I don't think it has a name yet
[2019/01/05 11:33] Koni Lanzius: ahh
[2019/01/05 11:34] Romulun Rockett: well that should be interesting :)
[2019/01/05 11:34] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: only have read from the core dev emails that they found consensus and have a working (basic) alpha version of a 3D engine compatible viewer
[2019/01/05 11:34] albertlr Landar: I saw where Melanie had made a change to git that was related to using a viewer
[2019/01/05 11:34] Arielle Popstar: thats what scares me
[2019/01/05 11:35] albertlr Landar: well think the graphics engine they were talking about had to be discarded because they would have required that grid owners pay a royalty for its use.
[2019/01/05 11:35] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: Diva'll make sure it stays on track of "general opensource good purpose"
[2019/01/05 11:35] Arielle Popstar: that they start changing opensim to be compatible with the new viewer and lose compatibility with fs and sing
[2019/01/05 11:35] albertlr Landar: They are now looking at alternive engines.
[2019/01/05 11:35] albertlr Landar: They had two candidates last I heard.
[2019/01/05 11:35] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: yes, indeed
[2019/01/05 11:36] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: I don't think they have "pinned" it yet
[2019/01/05 11:36] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: but they are defnintely not sticking at firestorm
[2019/01/05 11:37] albertlr Landar: Also in latest hacker news Germany has had a major hack of its government officials.
[2019/01/05 11:37] albertlr Landar: Germany has been hit with the biggest hack in its history. A group of unknown hackers has leaked highly-sensitive personal data from more than 100 German politicians, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Brandenburg’s prime minister Dietmar Woidke, along with some German artists,
[2019/01/05 11:37] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: could have benefits and disadvantages related to SL compatibility - personally I would prefer to get a stable opensim release first and only then move to a viewer
[2019/01/05 11:37] Romulun Rockett: I did try FS some time ago, and one thing I liked about it was that you could set hollow to 99% instead of 95% in singularity.
[2019/01/05 11:37] Arrwyll Barzane: yes i heard that in the news
[2019/01/05 11:37] albertlr Landar: well the developers have stated that they can not stick with compatibility with sl if opensim is to expandand improve.
[2019/01/05 11:37] Arielle Popstar: agreed Roland
[2019/01/05 11:38] George Equus: Agree too
[2019/01/05 11:38] Mirror Amorasi is Offline
[2019/01/05 11:38] Arrwyll Barzane: well, for the builder, FS is the superior viewer , for many reaons, i hope they don't mess it up
[2019/01/05 11:38] albertlr Landar: sticking with the current viewers is really holding opensim back in development.
[2019/01/05 11:38] Arielle Popstar: think there are still non working features that they could resolve first before looking at a new engine
[2019/01/05 11:38] Jeff Hall: i hope that viewer will have same functionalities as FS has since its the most sophisticated viewer
[2019/01/05 11:38] Arrwyll Barzane: yes
[2019/01/05 11:39] Arielle Popstar: i have yet to hear a justification or area where that is relevant Albertr
[2019/01/05 11:39] Jeff Hall: and ive been using and bug travcking 4 viewers
[2019/01/05 11:39] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: it will n ot, by definition, Jeff
[2019/01/05 11:39] Arielle Popstar: other that Hyperrid compatibility
[2019/01/05 11:39] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: it will most certainly be something entirely different
[2019/01/05 11:39] Jeff Hall: then it might be a doomed project Roland
[2019/01/05 11:40] Jeff Hall: if it doesnt have many functions
[2019/01/05 11:40] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: don't look at the pianist ;)
[2019/01/05 11:40] Koni Lanzius: heheh
[2019/01/05 11:40] albertlr Landar: lets just hope that what ever is done, it is done step by step so as not to break what is already successful.
[2019/01/05 11:40] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: anything compatible to FS will have to be built in from scratch
[2019/01/05 11:40] Jeff Hall: absolutely Albert
[2019/01/05 11:41] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: unless the FS team is already looking at it too and collaborating
[2019/01/05 11:41] albertlr Landar: they want to try to get viewer developers involved too, so hopefuly they will join in.
[2019/01/05 11:41] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: I know they are talking and visiting each other (ubit at Firestorm)
[2019/01/05 11:42] Romulun Rockett: yes, because people don't like having to learn a whole new interface. Add extra features by all means, improve the curent version by (for ecample allowing hollow to 99% etc) but who want's to go through the hastle of having to learn somthing completly new. Improve it behind the sceans by all means, but users already know the current version. Pleae don't do a windows 10 LOL
[2019/01/05 11:42] albertlr Landar: right now I understand that some of the changes in firestorm related to mesh just will not work completely on opensimultor
[2019/01/05 11:42] albertlr Landar: at least not at present.
[2019/01/05 11:43] albertlr Landar: but that is being worked on
[2019/01/05 11:43] Romulun Rockett: so they need to fix that bug
[2019/01/05 11:43] Arielle Popstar: but then albertr, we can freeze FS compatibility at a current version of the viewer
[2019/01/05 11:44] albertlr Landar: that is up to the developers, both firestorm and opensimulator.
[2019/01/05 11:44] Arielle Popstar: just keep Opensim compatible with a current FS viewer and continue development toward it
[2019/01/05 11:45] albertlr Landar: let the developers know,
[2019/01/05 11:46] Jeff Hall: report on both mantis (opensim) and jira(FS)
[2019/01/05 11:46] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: Arielle, that would be logic itself
[2019/01/05 11:46] albertlr Landar: so anything else going on we need to bring up this week.
[2019/01/05 11:46] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: agree to fully
[2019/01/05 11:46] Arielle Popstar: my understanding is that S/L is moving to 100% http now and dropping udp whereas Opensim dev's are not ready to do that yet
[2019/01/05 11:47] albertlr Landar: I thought they had already done that with opensim.
[2019/01/05 11:47] Arielle Popstar: so that the next FS release will simply not work with Opensim from that perspective
[2019/01/05 11:47] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: they want to, yes, but they are bumping into issues on that, they crashed and burned once and are starting over, is what I've heard at the latest 3rd party viewer meeting
[2019/01/05 11:47] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: (textures over http)
[2019/01/05 11:48] Arielle Popstar: oh, ok Roland
[2019/01/05 11:48] Arielle Popstar: i had heard that Jan 1 was supposed to be the deadline for UDP support\
[2019/01/05 11:48] George Equus: I have Use HTTP to receive textures enabled and it seem OK here
[2019/01/05 11:49] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: the tone was one of concern, they are not close to anything new that works a t m
[2019/01/05 11:49] albertlr Landar: well I know the viewer developers keep making the viewers so they can be used in both Opensim and SL, but I would think it would be better to make they completely separate from now on.
[2019/01/05 11:49] Arielle Popstar: yes me to George but Ubit has mentioned in past that some things still require Udp
[2019/01/05 11:49] albertlr Landar: well they do require it communication with the regions.
[2019/01/05 11:50] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: why albertir? are the approaches so different ? and if so, why?
[2019/01/05 11:50] George Equus: Hmm... not noticed anything problematic so far
[2019/01/05 11:50] albertlr Landar: only a developer can answer those questions.
[2019/01/05 11:50] Jeff Hall: a general viewer is nice i find
[2019/01/05 11:51] Jeff Hall: from user's point of view
[2019/01/05 11:51] albertlr Landar: sorry but don't have a developer here today.
[2019/01/05 11:51] Arielle Popstar: just some discussion. Not really any questions
[2019/01/05 11:51] George Equus: Keeping compatibility with SL in a viewer is the last thing we want, the whole thing is about cleaning out SL specific code isn't it?
[2019/01/05 11:51] albertlr Landar: yea.
[2019/01/05 11:52] Romulun Rockett: Maybe they could auto sense whether they are being used for Opensim or SL and seamlesly switch to a different engin behind the sceans, or if that's not posible then a user operated switch?
[2019/01/05 11:52] albertlr Landar: And generally because of all the excess SL code it tends to be very memory hungry I understand.
[2019/01/05 11:52] Arielle Popstar: supposedly George but why? Whats wrong with s/l compatibility other than the requirements for Hypergrid?
[2019/01/05 11:52] albertlr Landar: Lots of things it the viewers that are not needed and really is not understood why its there.
[2019/01/05 11:52] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: opesnim is ready to go its own way, but leaving sl compatibility behind is ill advised, it's also leaving the potential userbase behind
[2019/01/05 11:53] George Equus: Lots of redundant code messing things up I imagine... "spaghetti code"
[2019/01/05 11:53] Arielle Popstar: same as Opensim itself
[2019/01/05 11:53] albertlr Landar: thats what I have been told.
[2019/01/05 11:53] George Equus: As Opensim yes
[2019/01/05 11:53] Jeff Hall: common functions can be uses if it getrs refactored
[2019/01/05 11:54] Jeff Hall: *used if it gets re factored
[2019/01/05 11:54] Arielle Popstar: to my mind a lot of opensim development over the years has been because of the need to maintain some compatibility. If that is no longer a goal, what will drive opensim development in fututre
[2019/01/05 11:54] George Equus: so isn't that exactly what ubit is working hard on, trying to clean out all that and not break too much in the process?
[2019/01/05 11:54] albertlr Landar: well it was decided a long time ago to shape opensim into modules to better control the clutter.
[2019/01/05 11:54] Romulun Rockett: The problems is new users. Nearly everyone I know in here started out in SL ans switched at some point. Many go back an forth between the two. When I talk to people in SL and try to perswade them to come over here to have a look around it's really simple at the moment, but if they have to install an completly never viewer many may be put of by that and not come in the 1st place. I don't know anyone who came in here as their 1st metavers and didn't try SL 1st
[2019/01/05 11:54] albertlr Landar: So from a design point, openim is in better shape for future developement.
[2019/01/05 11:55] Arielle Popstar: agreed Romulun
[2019/01/05 11:55] Arielle Popstar: we would have to start looking for new users elsewhere
[2019/01/05 11:56] Jeff Hall: i came in opensim first in 2013 and not SL but im an exception and i agree with Romulun
[2019/01/05 11:56] albertlr Landar: well I think the work of Ferd on his OutWorldz Grid set up will help alot of those not into the whole set up, will eventually help with that area.
[2019/01/05 11:56] DJ Higher is Offline
[2019/01/05 11:57] DJ Higher is Online
[2019/01/05 11:57] Arielle Popstar: time will tell
[2019/01/05 11:57] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: b/c opensi is a perfect platform to learn and create and test and then port it to SL to sell - a good few veterans operate this way
[2019/01/05 11:58] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: don't expect too much from sl users coming to opensim - SL has it's own culture and the social mechanism certainly is their major asset
[2019/01/05 11:59] Arrwyll Barzane: that is very true
[2019/01/05 11:59] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: nods to Arielle: for new users opensim would do good to do its own promotion and channel communication, there is heaps of potential
[2019/01/05 11:59] albertlr Landar: Well as we are coming to 12 noon, lest all try to send best wishes to those that out with injuries and sickness today. Stio, DJ Princess, and paela all need your support right now.
[2019/01/05 11:59] Arrwyll Barzane: any prospective sl imports i talk to ask, "well, what do you do here?"
[2019/01/05 12:00] albertlr Landar: What every you want should be the answer
[2019/01/05 12:00] Romulun Rockett: the bigest criticism I hear in SL re Opensim is "theres nobody there" I,e there just isn't the social interaction but as more and more people come here that will change, and I tell them that.
[2019/01/05 12:00] Koni Lanzius: yes! defiantly best wishes for those who are ill
[2019/01/05 12:00] Arrwyll Barzane: yes but there are quite a few of limited abilities
[2019/01/05 12:00] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: nods, the dreamgrids certainly are a dream
[2019/01/05 12:00] Arrwyll Barzane: they are the sheep...
[2019/01/05 12:01] Jeff Hall: best wishes to everyone
[2019/01/05 12:01] Arrwyll Barzane: yes, best wishes to all
[2019/01/05 12:01] albertlr Landar: look opensim will never be what everyone wants, but for creative things, and those that have the abilities opensim gives them a lot to work with.
[2019/01/05 12:01] Romulun Rockett: Best wishes to you too Arrwyll :)
[2019/01/05 12:01] Jeff Hall: ty albert and everyone
[2019/01/05 12:01] Arielle Popstar: have a good week everyone
[2019/01/05 12:01] Jeff Hall: have a nice weekend and week to come
[2019/01/05 12:01] Koni Lanzius: true
[2019/01/05 12:01] George Equus: I wish the same to all
[2019/01/05 12:01] albertlr Landar: And independence and freedow it can't be beat.
[2019/01/05 12:01] Koni Lanzius: bye everyone, thanks Alibirtir
[2019/01/05 12:01] Koni Lanzius: yup
[2019/01/05 12:01] Arrwyll Barzane: well wishes ... :)
[2019/01/05 12:02] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: so nothing happened last year and nothing will happen this year, oke, we can move on
[2019/01/05 12:02] albertlr Landar: Well thanks for coming and for the the discussions. See you all soon.
[2019/01/05 12:02] albertlr Landar: take care and be safe.
[2019/01/05 12:02] Romulun Rockett: yes happy new year to you all :)
[2019/01/05 12:02] albertlr Landar: I have to go get food myself.
[2019/01/05 12:02] albertlr Landar: unfortunately one of the burdens of rl.
[2019/01/05 12:02] Romulun Rockett: thanks for a great meeting
[2019/01/05 12:02] Romulun Rockett: BFN!
[2019/01/05 12:02] Roland.Francis @grid.vibel.eu:8002: what's BFN?
[2019/01/05 12:03] albertlr Landar: Take care everyone will be here next week.
[2019/01/05 12:03] Koni Lanzius: ok thanks
[2019/01/05 12:03] albertlr Landar: Hopefully with good news about those missing this week.
[2019/01/05 12:03] Arrwyll Barzane: bye for now think :)
[2019/01/05 12:03] albertlr Landar: Bye all
[2019/01/05 12:03] George Equus: Thanks Albert
[2019/01/05 12:03] TP Hud v3.1-Mine: Listener Turned On
[2019/01/05 12:03] Arrwyll Barzane: yes,. thanks albert - take car


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